Just See the MOTTO Behind as They have Excellent Logic for War Against Black Untouchable Brotherhood Worldwide!
Troubled Galaxy Destroyed Dreams, Chapter 420
Palash Biswas
It was the terrorist Muslims that after the fall of USSR declared that they cannot live without enemies and their next target is the USA!!!!!!!!!
The terrorist Muslims are who lied to the whole world to send their very advanced Air Forces to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians in their home cities!!!!!!!!
The terrorist Muslims are who support ethnic cleansing for Christian and Muslim Arabs in Palestine!!!!!!!
Aren't all that sufficient to convict those terrorists????!!!!!!!
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A. M.
Just see the MOTTO behind. Terrorist Muslims are the Enemy of United states of Ameriac and hence, Muslims worldwide must be Terrorists. This is the logic of War against Terror.
In the same way, just because Central India is notified as RED Frontier and it is projected as Foreign Territory as kashmir and Entire North East had been treated since Transfer of Power and only Military Option with Zero Tolerance may RESOLVE the Insurgency Problem in the selected Landscape and Humanscpae.
Since the Maoists are ACTIVE in Tribal Regions and Insugency Cultivation gets fertile land always in tribal bases as which had been PROHIBITED SCHEDULED areas for outsiders, developed communities during Colonial Rule in India, the logic is Every TRIBAL man or woman must be a Maoist or EXTREMIST, hence the Aboriginal Indigenous communities and Minorities converted must be subjected to REPRESSION, Military Rule and Ethnic Cleansing.
Media is conducting OPINION Polls to hand Over Centarl India to Army Rule. No Body asks any question against Antinational ETHNO National Uprising in rest of India! No Body questions the MURDER of Parliament and democracy.
Our Black Untouchable Brotherhood worldwide have already seen 2012, the Projected Mass destruction in a typical Hollywood Film just released today.
Maoists are ANGRY with me as I relate them with Corporate Imperialism and the Ruling Hegemony. On the other hand, the intelligentsia Hindutva Brand me as Maoist as I am a Social activist Committed to the intersts and Existance of Black untouchable brotherhood, which I may not EVADE as it had been my Family Liability before I was Born in a Schedulded Caste Refugee Bengali Family settled in Naintal. I am based in Bengal and had been opposing the Marxist Bengali Brahaminical Gestapo genocide culture, hence our Marxists Friends consider me their ENEMY and Never Take Notice of the Points raised realting Corporate Imperailism, India Incs Rule Extar Constitutional and the Hindutva Gloabal as I follow the Marxist Ideology better than any Brahmin Marxist, even better than the General Secretaries and Polit Bureau members!On the other hand , since I attack the Brahaminical system and UPA Agenda of mass destruction, Opposition in bengal , civil society, media and intellegetsia Never recognises my existance.
However, it makes No Difference! I belong to the exiled Dalits banished out of Bengal. But our people who stayed in bengal and face Persecution unprecedanted, I may not communicate them neither I may have an Audience consisting of Black Untouchable Brotherhood. Most of my readers turn Hostile as they belong to the Ruling Class only.
Nov 13, 2009 12:48 AM
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Respected friends!
For the first thing, I am not a Maoist neither I am a Sympathiser.
But knowing the landscape and Humanscape relating to the MOW as well as maoist Zone, I may not Contradict the Social relaism and magic Corporate Economics related.
If you read me on Net you should be knowing that I am up against the withering awy of the State which is taken over by Post Modern manusmriti Order, Corporate Imperialism, global Weapon Market and India Incs. We have no representatives as the Political aprties have turned to be MNCs themselves.
For eaxample, madhu KODA passed Licence for Coal Minining amounting One Lac Sixty One Thousand Crores and shifts a little bit of the Ice berg, rs. Four Thousand crore in his reserve within forty Five minutes. He is not so GOOD Player of the Game.Just imagine what Havoc other Politicians do with the money paid by Indian tax Payers!
You may have read the advertisement in every newspaper inviting NGOs for Partnership in Flagship Welfare Progrramme! Who are behind the screen and run these NGOs mostly funded by foreign agencies including World bank, Unesco and IMF!
The most amusing part of this equation is the fact that Maoist Flare Up intensified since neo Liberalism and Free market democracy were introduced and so are the NGOs, Civil Societies, toilet Media Streamlining, Inteligenstsia changing wings DILUTING all Democratic Institutions.Market ahs emerged sovereign and Sovereignity of the Nation as well as its individual citizens exist no more. extra constitional Elements like Nilekani, Montek singh ahluwalia, sam Pitroda, rangrajan and the gang assisted by Pranab, kamalnath, Sibal and shashi tharur do all the work of Governance, Policy Making, Legslation and diplomacy sidelining the State and the parliament.
Genuine problems are not addressed at all. non Issues are made issues. demogogues and money power rule the country. You jaust die for Development. On which Cost? For whom? Why the Rural Population is engaged in EXODUS? Why Indian Agriculture is transformed into Chemical Industry fatal? Why our children have no job other than call centre, contact labour and Marketing? Why seventy crore People Starve despite Glittering Sensex, Inflated Economy and so much Hyped RISILIENCE? Why Industries are closed and the Land is being taken by realty sector? Why slumabolishion act is related to Realty Boom? Why Food prices may not be afforded? Why public Utilities are Privatised? Why savings should be withdrawn only after paying Tax? Why Disinvestment is mandatory for every profitable PSU? Why Trade Union Movement is dead? Why Popular mass Movements are Branded as Insurgency and Military Option is adopted with ZERO Tolerance? Why AFPSA continued in almost every part of untouchable Himalayas?
You have not to be a maoist to raise these questions? Genuine democratic space is killed and EMPOWERMENT of SC ST OBC and Minorities denied and the ruling Hegemony is busy to defend the Foreign Interest Antinational?
maoists, NGOs, Media and Intelligensia to which Ms Arundhati ray belong create the Space for Ethnic cleansing to acomplish the Mass Destruction agenda of Economic reforms.
Maoists have NEVER targeted the CORPORATE Interest. lest all industrial actyivities and mining would have stopped. Organised sector is detached.
No Insurgency or Terror Network may survive without the support of state agencies. maoist menace has PUSHED the Indigenous Aboriginal Communities adn Refugees into a death Zone where they strand in Cross Fire. Since, they are Black Untouchable Negroid , my People , I have concern and Commitment for them.Neither for the maoist nor for the Intelligentsia.
thanks.
Palash Biswas
Kolkata, India
Nov 12, 2009 04:01 AM
246
> "... there is an elephant in India's drawing room. Maoists openly defy the Constitution, which they say is a mask for a brutal order. Are not our mainstream parties equally contemptuous of the law? Why did the NDA regime try and do away with Schedule 5 of the Constitution that protects tribal lands from encroachment? Why is it still being violated? Is there not prima-facie evidence of politicians' involvement in massacres in Delhi and Gujarat in 1984 and 2002? Why haven't they been brought to justice? In 1987, 40 Muslims of Meerut were killed in custody. Why did the case take 18 years to come to court? The BJP and the Congress both supported the private army named Salwa Judum with disastrous consequences for Chhattisgarh's population."
http://www.hindustan...Article1-474600.aspx
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Nov 12, 2009 02:57 AM
245
I am certainly impressed with Ms. Roy's rhetoric.Not really because all she says makes sense to me, rather of her approach to find the solution to Maoism. Considering that it is an internal deal and we are looking to strike a mutual agreement with 'our' 'inimical' friends, need is to get to the roots. The best way to get there is to put yourself in their tribal shoes for a while...
Having accepted the fact that people in the areas have not yet had the access to any education, how can anyone expect them to think on an equal footage.They are like the innocent victims of ignorance.Helpless but to fight for their rights and rescue their survival.I think if anyone optimistically wants to develop the land, he ought to have concern for the local people at the first place...In this very case, that means educate them, develop their thought and the rest would follow..All this with due respect to the fact-Bauxite in the land is going nowhere!!
sudhanshu kotnala
mumbai, India
Nov 11, 2009 12:13 PM
244
To begin with, I am not a fan of Ms Roy. Neither is it that I always share her opinions. However, one cannot differ on this issue. I agree with her on the fact that this 'war' is not against 'enemies'. It is against the very people of the land who are standing up for themselves. It is indeed a matter of shame that we are crushing them for interests better known to Mr PC. We are even ready to deploy our soldiers for this purpose. And if I may ask, to against whom? It takes some time to plan, identify locations and set up an Army Brigade. But surprisingly, it hasn't taken all that long this time, unless ofcourse it was thought for quite a while.
Spare a thought for the so-called 'enemies' once. I too would stand-up if someone entered my house demanding me to give it up. I am not justifying their means. But then, do we give them an option? Do we have any talks with them? Or, are we even ready to listen if one of them speaks? I think we have our answers there.
Mukul Jethwani
Mumbai, India
Nov 11, 2009 10:59 AM
243
We like to shoot Ms messenger and oppose in shrill voices everytime an Arundhati Roy or a Medha Patkar shows us the mirror. I'm a convert from being a shooter earlier and have now come to see merit in these sane voices. My saltutes to Arundhati Roy for being an example of courage & indomitable spirit. For the intellectual urban shooters, may I recommend "The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein". Fate of middle class urbanites will not be very different from these poor tribals, its just a matter of time & manner
Shailesh Lal
Gurgaon, India
Nov 09, 2009 07:59 AM
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>>>>>>>Dalits in Trivallur district have gone on campaigning against Justice Dinakaran who usurped these poor people' s lands and yet this guy Prabhu posted umpteen posts in these columns condemning Brahmanism that the Brahmins are hounding innocent Dinakaran because he is a Dalit>>>>>>>
I have consistently maintained that the highly contagious disease called ' corruption ' has been spread in India from those on the top of caste hierarchy to those below , ie , brahmin downwards. In my earlier posting, I had shown that the caste background of the current serving judges of the supreme court do not correspond with the caste % of Indian society. This situation continues to exist 60 years after India's independence is unacceptable and has to be investigated. India does not belong alone to the micro-minority upper castes but also belongs to the overwhelming low castes. Therefore 70% of all judiciary in the supreme court, high courts and lower courts must be from the low castes - corresponding to their population %. This itself will bring to an end the corruption of the rich and the powerful upper castes in our nation who are engaged in outright theft of the nations natural resources - land, minerals, oil and gas, etc and thus displacing a huge population of the low castes in the process. The current news coming out thru media exposes that our very judges are shareholders in the various companies who are engaged in theft and displacement of our low caste people.
The following news shows that the upper castes who have immigrated to western nations have begun corrupting their institutions too. This proves beyond any reasonable doubt that corruption has been spread from ' brahmin ' downwards in Indian society and in this news ' brahmin ' outwards in westery society.
Insider trading suspect on run in Mumbai?
Press Trust of India, Sunday November 8, 2009, New York
Deep Shah, an Indian-origin suspect in the largest ever hedge fund scam in the US is on the run and is believed to be in Mumbai, federal authorities have said.
Shah, 27, and Gautam Shankar, 35, were among the 14 new suspects charged on Thursday in the $53 million insider trading scam by the FBI. While Shah is a former analyst at the Moody's Investor Service, Shankar who has already pleaded guilty is a former proprietary trader at Schottenfeld Group in New York.
Two other Indians were charged in the fraud earlier. Rajiv Goel, director in strategic investments at Intel Corp's investment arm, and Anil Kumar, a director at global management-consulting firm McKinsey & Co, both 51, were charged for fraud in October.
B Prabhu
Mangalore, India
Nov 08, 2009 02:48 AM
241
All land where tribals live is not rich in mineral deposits The theory is only a figment of imagination of smt A.Roy .How true is Plato"s words ,in his ideal republic poets / writers who write what is not directly known to them and therefore creates confusion in people's minds
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.Gopal kochukattu
gopal.b.kochukattu
kochi, India
Nov 07, 2009 07:31 PM
240
"To sacrifice innocent tribals' interest in the name of progress is like doing away with the daily 'Dal' to get the both ends meet while keeping the daily 'Booze' maintained."
Rajneesh Batra
New Delhi, India
Nov 07, 2009 07:30 PM
239
"To sacrifice innocent tribals' interest in the name of progress is like doing away with the daily 'Dal' to get the both ends meet while keeping the daily 'Booze' maintained."
Rajneesh Batra
New Delhi, India
Nov 07, 2009 06:57 PM
238
We Sindhis didn't get our own state.
Does that mean we should start throwing papads at the government?
Ajit Harisinghani
Pune, India
Nov 07, 2009 03:55 PM
237
sandy
the anger of the maoists is not entirely due to the fact that they are poor. it has a lot to do with the fact that some indians have become phenomenally rich.
these are the entrepeneurs who have used their inintiave, hardwork and brains to build new industries
which never existed before. they became rich after
the govt removed some of the many mindless hindrances
in their way.they became rich by embraceing modernism,
new technology.
i am certain that maoism, communism , the various
minority causes would lose a lot of steam if the
present class of entrepeneurs had not existed at all.
envy,jealousy have been the fuel which has resulted
in the present myriad dissatisfactions.
muslims do not seem so dissatisfied in poor muslim countries,like sudan,somalia or pakistan as much as
in india.
all the poor who have failed to hitch a ride in the new wealth of india, have seriouas complaints. politicians in various states such as mahrashtra,assam,
delhi, kashmir, will now do their best to exclude poor
immigrant labour from bihar, up, bengal. they will
try and help their own poor, which is a tough job in itself.
is it fair for a explodeing poor population to demand
handouts from the rich amongst them. look at any family in india from the poor countryside. how much do the few rich amongst them do to help even their own
near families.how much do rich dalits, obc.s, muslims,
christians do to help their own. damn little.
however all of them expect the rich upper class hindus
to come to their aid. i know this is a futile dream.
i dont expect my rich family to help me out now that i have lost a fortune in the latest finance crisis. it
would be stupid to do so. it would cause more problems.
in america even the poorest want to make it by fullfilling their dream. in india they wait for handouts, which are seldom given.
the govts in india should speak the truth to all.
you guys have to make it on your own. the politicians should do the same. instead these people make grand promises to the poor, whilst stealing blind for
themselves. look at mayawati, mulayam singh, laloo,
and now koda.
especially the muslims should stop demanding. many
hindus have a bias against them because of past history. they have to help themselves. no one else will. the faruki,s mirza,s have their work cut out for themselves. get off your butts, and do something
for yourselves. no one else will. the record of the last 60 years is enough evidence. dont trust the roys,
vinod mehtas. they are just in the bizness of earning
money and fame by pretending to be interested in your
situation. all these guys are fakes.
gayatri devi
delhi, India
Nov 07, 2009 01:35 PM
236
@ Mr. KVSKumar
You really thought this guy Prabhu is against Brahmanism due to short of information? Haven't you seen his earlier posts? He is a through and through caste bigot of lowest order who does not have any compunctions to openly campaign for even corrupt people as long as they are his preferred caste. His only grouse must be that he is not getting his share in the 'bra-money-ism' you have so aptly paraphrased.
Dalits in Trivallur district have gone on campaigning against Justice Dinakaran who usurped these poor people' s lands and yet this guy Prabhu posted umpteen posts in these columns condemning Brahmanism that the Brahmins are hounding innocent Dinakaran because he is a Dalit. Where is in reality Dinakaran is no more dalit and he is a crypto Christian wearing the dalit tag on his sleeve only for certain benefits !!! What brahminism has got to do with open corruption of a high court judge? But this guy has argument over that!
You are wasting time to read Vedas and instil sense in a caste pig when he deserves to be ignored.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Nov 07, 2009 01:07 PM
235
nri bodh -- "But this Commie hypocrite Arundhati has cleverly omitted to mention that the Maoists themselves have on every occasion, insisted that their only objective is the destruction of the present govt system- that they will only stop their "peoples war" against "the reactionary capitalist imperialists" when they install their own Mao/Pol Pot-styled totalitarian Communist regime. No amount of 'explaining' by this Commies dingbat will change this reality."
Seriously ??!!
Excerpt from the article above which chaddies almost always never read...
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"Who are the Maoists? They are members of the banned Communist Party of India (Maoist)CPI (Maoist)one of the several descendants of the Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist), which led the 1969 Naxalite uprising and was subsequently liquidated by the Indian government. The Maoists believe that the innate, structural inequality of Indian society can only be redressed by the violent overthrow of the Indian State. In its earlier avatars as the Maoist Communist Centre (MCC) in Jharkhand and Bihar, and the People's War Group (PWG) in Andhra Pradesh, the Maoists had tremendous popular support. (When the ban on them was briefly lifted in 2004, one-and-a-half million people attended their rally in Warangal.) But eventually their intercession in Andhra Pradesh ended badly. They left a violent legacy that turned some of their staunchest supporters into harsh critics. After a paroxysm of killing and counter-killing by the Andhra police as well as the Maoists, the PWG was decimated. Those who managed to survive fled Andhra Pradesh into neighbouring Chhattisgarh. There, deep in the heart of the forest, they joined colleagues who had already been working there for decades.
Not many 'outsiders' have any first-hand experience of the real nature of the Maoist movement in the forest. A recent interview with one of its top leaders, Comrade Ganapathy, in Open magazine didn't do much to change the minds of those who view the Maoists as a party with an unforgiving, totalitarian vision, which countenances no dissent whatsoever. Comrade Ganapathy said nothing that would persuade people that, were the Maoists ever to come to power, they would be equipped to properly address the almost insane diversity of India's caste-ridden society. His casual approval of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) of Sri Lanka was enough to send a shiver down even the most sympathetic of spines, not just because of the brutal ways in which the LTTE chose to wage its war, but also because of the cataclysmic tragedy that has befallen the Tamil people of Sri Lanka, who it claimed to represent, and for whom it surely must take some responsibility."
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R
Bangalore, India
Nov 07, 2009 11:19 AM
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"Caste and Religion % of India:"
Mr. Prabhu, it is not not 'brahmanism' that is the root of every ills of India Those who calim to be superior to the rest based on their birth are nothing but pseudos. Their ism is 'bra-money-ism'.
To defeat the pseudos there is only one way and that is to revolt and question them using the vedas and spirituality as did by Sree Narayana Guru, the foremost social reformer of Kerala. Read : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narayana_Guru
KVSKumar
Mumbai, India
Nov 07, 2009 10:26 AM
233
In short Ms Roy is condoning treason!
Bodh
ARoy is a fit case for trial in a court of law for seditious writings.I hardly see any justification for violence in the name of welfare of tribals.
sandilya
Chennai, India
Nov 07, 2009 09:51 AM
232
Caste and Religion % of India :
Lower Castes (Sudras): 42-44 percent ( 475 million)
Dalits ("SC"s): 16-18 percent ( 190 million)
Upper Castes: 12-14 percent ( 145 million)
Muslims: 12-13 percent ( 140 million)
Adivasis ("ST"s):7-8 percent ( 80 million)
Christians: 2 percent ( 22 million)
Sikhs: 2 percent ( 22 million)
Others (Jains, Parsis, Buddhists, Jews, etc.): 2 percent ( 22 million)
The numbers do not add up to 100 percent partly because they are best-estimates, and partly because there is some overlap between various categories. Note that lower castes, Dalits and Adivasis, when taken together, number about 750 million, almost 70 percent
of India's population.
60 years after India's Independence, we still have this Riddle before us in the current composition of our supreme court judges !
Please reconcile the above facts with the Caste and Religious composition of the current serving supreme court judges of India. The names reflect the caste and religious background of our honourable judges of the supreme court.
K G Balakrishanan
S H Kapadia
Tarun Chatterjee
Altamas Kabir
R V Raveendran
Dalveer Bhandari
D K Jain
Markandey Katju
H S Bedi
V S Sirpunkar
B Sudershan Reddy
P Sathasivam
G S Singvi
Aftab Alam
J M Ranchal
Mukundakam Sharma
Cyriac Joseph
A K Ganguly
R M Lodha
M L Dattu
Deepak Verma
Balbir Singh Chauhan
A K Patnaik
T S Thakur
S S Nijjar
K S Radhakrishnan
What is wrong in India ?
It is ' Brahmanism ' . Brahmanism at its core denies the fundamental social and spiritual equality of human beings. Brahmanism is based on an unequal social order of mankind. It also denies equal value to women. It does not want the blood of Indians to mix across caste lines even though racially we are all Indians. Brahmanism has refused to abolish the caste system for 3,000 years. It is because of this ideology and attitude that the nightmare of the Dalits, Tribals and the Backward Cates continues.
B Prabhu
Mangalore, India
Nov 07, 2009 08:42 AM
231
The Maoists are using the plight of the tribals as their excuse to propagate their "peoples war" against the state, with willing accomplices the likes of Roy and the liberal (read Leftist) media and intelligentsia and such.
No one can deny the problems the Tribals face- the criminal neglect by govt and atrocities committed by the cops against them. But that can be remedied by appropriate govt action.
But this Commie hypocrite Arundhati has cleverly omitted to mention that the Maoists themselves have on every occasion, insisted that their only objective is the destruction of the present govt system- that they will only stop their "peoples war" against "the reactionary capitalist imperialists" when they install their own Mao/Pol Pot-styled totalitarian Communist regime. No amount of 'explaining' by this Commies dingbat will change this reality.
The only option left to govt is massive force, as any other course will be lending succor and giving legitimacy to such murderers who takes their orders from foreign nations bent on destroying this already unstable land. The fetid two-faced Commie Roys of this world could go suck egg- rotten(gandha) ones.
In short Ms Roy is condoning treason!
Bodh
Springfield, United States
Nov 07, 2009 08:23 AM
230
Its funny to see comments on 'comments', causing distraction.
The mining industry sells India to the world plundering natural resources. I wonder what makes people so greedy that they stop thinking in the long term. Is there not enough visible proof that we humans have caused enough environmental degradation? What do we humans want after all?
This corporate-govt-(false)media nexus reminds me of the snake charmer - while the snake charmer distracts the snake he catches the snake by its hood. So the hidden hand is the worry.
Seriously, these talks should be discussed in Cophenagen, and all the 'developed' countries resolve not cause demand for natural resources in the developing countries and we look to develop technologies that will not depend on natural resources like we do now.
bhat
Bangalore, India
Nov 06, 2009 09:42 PM
229
Apropos of Arundhati Roy's article I deem it appropriate to invite attention of all to what the US Congress in a historic Concurrent House Resolution [no. 139] on India's discrimination and untouchability had resolved in May 2007. Highlighting the anatomy of untouchability the Resolution says: "The Untouchables, now known as the Dalits and the forest tribes of India, called Tribals, who together number approximately 250,000,00 to 300,000,00 people, are the primary victims of the caste discrimination in India." The dimension of the problem, by the sheer size of its sufferers, is difficult to comprehend with equanimity of mind. With such large a population under groaning distress and exploitation, nowhere under the sun peace, stability and unity can be achieved or secured. Of course, prosperity of the kind we have been witnessing may not be impossible.
The aforesaid Resolution adds further: "Discrimination against the Dalits and the Tribals has existed for more than 2000 years and has included educational discrimination, economic disenfranchisement, physical abuse, discrimination in medical care, religious discrimination and violence targeting Dalit and Tribal women."
Untouchability and discrimination in India is as old as the Himalayas. Discrimination against human being based on birth is India's cardinal philosophy since ancient times.
The media and intellectual class have successfully brashed the aforesaid Resolution under the carpet and public in general do not know it. The Government of India must be aware of it. Nothing has been done to reverse the ongoing atrocities, discrimination, hatred based on caste and humiliation of the dalit and tribal. The dalit and tribal communities have been allowed to willow in illiteracy as required by a policy outlined and ordained by ancient Hindu scriptures lest there are no clamour for spaces under the sun for them.
If the threat of war really fructify in full scale, there will be deluge and the fate of India appears sealed. No security forces which will kill at will and result in genocidal extermination of their target groups will ultimately be in a position to keep the nation in one piece.
Let the government first of all crush hands that indulge in cruelty, atrocities, practioners of untouchability and discrimination against dalit and tribal with the force they propose to employ for suppressing naxal/Maoists instead.
That may be a good beginning.
A.K.B iswas
Calcutta, India
Nov 06, 2009 08:25 PM
228
Vivek,
The notion of Indian state is an offshoot of the British Raj. There is no place for indigenous reforms in this system. There is no clarity on what we are supposed to gain from it. There are hardly a few who are in awe of the constitution. I certainly do not understand the need for a President.
vikram chandra
Visakhapatnam, India
Nov 06, 2009 08:07 PM
227
"Eventually, the British let them live in truce on their lands"
The tribals were never a serious threat to British or other invaders and occupiers. These people had an almost non-interference in their way of life, due to the sacrifices and resilience of the rest of Indians, who acted as the buffer. Guys supporting maoists here are not sadhus living on alms and resting in the jungles, in peace with the tribes. I am sure most of them have not seen tribal way of life in close encounters. They cannot distinguish a Gondi from a Koya, Chenchu, Bhil, Munda or Santal.
vikram chandra
Visakhapatnam, India
Nov 06, 2009 11:27 AM
226
>You are right, the caste system no longer exists but >the poor and powerless are still treated like a >shudra, with no rights against the powerful.
but the poor is irrespective of caste. there are poor brahmins as well.
>Do you not know that the justice system in India has >been deliberately kept inefficient so that the one >without the money and endless resources to fight for >decades will not dare to go to courts? Do you know >police rfuse to file FIRs if the local political >leader is against it, at least in west bengal, bihar >and most bimaru states?
but this has nothing to do with caste. most of the ruling elite in most of the states are normally classified as BC or OBC. they are not "brahmins" or "kshatriyas". the problem is about corruption and greed - not caste.
by making caste the issue and barking up the wrong tree, it ensures that :
1. the real culprits are not targetted.
2. so no justice will ultimately prevail.
btw land grab is not only in tribal areas. this even happens in chennai. jayalalitha's 'aide' sashikala and her goons were notorious for grabbing all prime properties in chennai. the modus operandi : goons will go to a nice bungalow in a posh area and offer the residents some price. if they don't accept ...
one of my personal friends land was also grabbed by dmk goons. the road to her property will simply blocked off and some rowdies asked her to move on. that is all.
this has nothing to do with caste. rather it is abuse of political power and greed for wealth.
the communists with their pet prejudices and fantasies are giving this a tradition vs tribal, low caste vs high caste, hue - so that they can war against the establishment and subvert the traditions. but nothing could be further from the truth.
nandakumar
chennai, india
Nov 06, 2009 09:21 AM
225
DC,
"She uses real data and staistics and at the same time fabricates information from time to time, exaggerates her points, uses flowery language as a substitute for cold data if it challenges her contention. She often manipulates absense of available data as conspiracy theory."
Perfect description of Ms. Roy. And as always excellent and enjoyable post from you.
Maha
NJ, United States
Nov 06, 2009 07:39 AM
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It's a good elaborate dissection with facts and figures from a prolific writer - Arundathy Roy. Whether everything stated therein is agreeable or not definitely it is commendable and is appreciated. Except the imported rogues, nobody wants a war as the first choice to settle disputes, yet if the decent soft spoken message is unheard or ignored then it's driven to a time to speak in a language that the other understands well there's no other way about it. Yet, the recent seeming realignment of partnerships and developments in the subcontinent, India, under the pretext / disguise of national interest and security, had successfully field-tested and monitored the effectiveness, the world opinion and side-effects, with the wholehearted covert and overt support of Mr. Karuna's DMK TN Municipality, of its prototype (Lankan Solution) strategy of 'Annihilation / Genocide of seeming Threats' on Eelam Nationalism. Results are (1) militarily (Genocide) a success because the chosen target was soft, its isolation and the advantage of geographic location enabled silencing news media and effective usage of high flying banner of 'Terrorism against Democracy'; but (2) the effectiveness of is a failure became counter-productive and (3) the resulting spawn of side-effects on other areas are monumental. Perhaps testing this prototype may be of multi-purpose - to study its usefulness in the trouble boiling areas in the northern flank. India will have to think twice, over and over and again and again, before using the prototype because the targets in the North and Northeast are neither soft nor helpless or orphans, currently developed partnership - with the rivals against the Tamils will be dislodged / short-lived and unless India creates or finds some karunas, likes of Rams and DMKs in the North and employing refined and refreshed mentality of RAW. Farook Abdullahs or Dorji Khandus will never be the duplicates of Karuna of TN since they didn't migrate from Andhra Pradesh as Mr. karruna did. It will be very difficult to find still never be possible or an easy task for India because such karunas, Balus and Kovans live only in TN. May God bless Mother-India!
Shan
Jaffna, Sri Lanka
Nov 06, 2009 06:12 AM
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Nothing mentioned in this article by Roy is untrue. Nothing she has mentioned in this article is a lie. The reality is, the article talks about destabilizing the caste-based status-quo and hierarchical structure based on which the country's resources are used. It talks about taking away unjust govt preference of allocating the country's resources on people who are at the top of the caste-hierarchy. That's the real pain. The opposition to Roy is because she disturbs the sh!t that's there but the so called educated Indians choose to ignore and mask it before the developed world. The strength of a chain is tested by the weakest link. The weakest link for the chain called India needs to be strengthened, then only India will prosper and become strong. Whether you like it or not, the existence of the naxalite problem is the proof that there is something wrong in the existing system. The first step in a 12-step rehab program is accepting that there is something wrong with you. If you think there is nothing wrong with keeping the tribals naked, killing them and raping their women, well... you do not belong to a civilized society.
Raj
Chicago, United States
Nov 06, 2009 05:18 AM
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R
I thought you are half brain dead. Now I see you are a total brain dead and follow people such as Ms. Roy like a zombie. Vedanta promised and paid off some Congress leaders. What a surprise! Ms. Roy was a big supporter to CON party till yesterday. Thanks to brain dead supporters like you, the murderers and goons who call themselves "Naxalites" or "Maoists" can get away with any crime. Somebody got to call the bluff of hypocrites such as Ms. Roy.
VIvek
Hyderabad, India
Nov 06, 2009 05:12 AM
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Raj
Unfortunately Roy is not a messenger - she loves to jump into any controversy always with a contrarian view from others and in effect get a lot of publicity and support. My problem with Roy has always been the spin. She uses real data and staistics and at the same time fabricates information from time to time, exaggerates her points, uses flowery language as a substitute for cold data if it challenges her contention. She often manipulates absense of available data as conspiracy theory. And that dilutes a writer's credibility.
As regards land reforms, believe me there is no easy way out. In China it is easy because the government can evict anyone and decide any compensation. There is no space for political opposition there. In India it is different. If the government tries to buy contigous plots of land for industrialization by paying compensation, you can have a controversy like Singur in West Bengal. Mamta Banerjee's opposition there forced Tatas finally to quit West Bengal. And if you allow private entrepreneurs to acquire land you can have controversies like the Vedic Village near Calcutta where a local land mafia was forcibly buying land from the local population on behalf of private corporations. It's very easy for us to criticize the government for its failure to acquire land and to criticize private enterprises for their failure to acquire land. What's the solution? Will you say no to industrialization. That's fine for those of us living outside India. But can a populace of 110 crores progress without industrialization? It is very easy for Roy or anyone to lecture on development debate or be an anti-capitalist after reaping all the benefits of capitalism. The truth is that in this world nothing is in black or white everywhere there are shades of gray. It is always possible to find a middle ground through discussions and negotiations in a democratic set up. All you need is the patience to hear and accommodate all the views and arrive at the best compromise.
Please do not lose faith in Indian democracy which despite all obstacles like linguistic and cultural diversity of the voters, ongoing corruption and manipulation by politicians, illiteracy of the population and mass poverty has continued to deepen into Indian society. Political space has been created for Dalits and OBCs, regional issues came to forefront through Shiv Sena,DMK or Telugu Desam, the leftist, the liberals and the right wing political parties have co-existed, power has percolated down to the Panchayat level. The poor and illiterate voters time and again voted out powerful incumbents - be it Mrs Gandhi, or Atal Bajpai. Hindu nationalism is debating with secularism. A rural Sikh farmer's son can become a PM. A suave Doon School urbanite co-exits with semi literates from villages in the same parliament.
We need Adivasi leaders with stature like Babasaheb Ambedkar who championed Dalit's cause. Let there be negotiations of Adivasi leaders with the government about how to improve governance and public distribution system in Adivasi areas. Let Maoists be their spokesmen. But so far Maoists have only shown propensity for armed insurgency and bloodshed, while arm chair leftists like Arundhati supported them.
DC
NEW YORK, United States
Nov 06, 2009 05:10 AM
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For those who want to read about how mining companies have brought death and destruction to the native population and what is in waiting for tribals of India, the eye opener is the book,
- The open veins of Latin America are still bleeding. ... Eduardo Galeano,
ahmad pasha
long island, United States
Nov 06, 2009 04:03 AM
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Raj
Ms. Roy is not a messenger. She creates the message most of the times convoluted. She manufactures it. She supports Islamic terrorism. She supports naxal murders. She muddies the issues. Tribals have issues. I have issues. AP late-CM YSR and his gangs grabbed my land too. He grabbed several other lands. Should we should all get together and burn some buses/trains, kidnap innocent people, kill some police?
Every one has issues in India. Ms. Roy keeps repeating lies to the detriment of national security. She alleges conspiracy in situations where none exist such as Batla House encounter or Nov 26 Mumbai massacres. She lies everywhere that India is nuclear war mongering nation ignoring all the evidence of how Pakistan amassed nuclear weapons with helpful testing from China. Her support for any group LET that wants to bomb India and kill Indians is well knows. She has no problems in hugging military leaders, terrorists and Islamic fanatics from across the border. She tries to imitate Noam Chomsky mostly basing her arguments on lies and left wing propaganda.
VIvek
Hyderabad, India
Nov 06, 2009 02:24 AM
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Some people do not get that Roy is the MESSENGER and not the MESSAGE. Roy or no Roy, the fact remains that the tribals own the land and if you want their land, suitable compensation needs to be paid. And if they are not ready to sell their land, you have no business to kill them to steal their land. It's unethical (it's not illegal if the govt is doing the killing because they can legally murder people). But the thing is, A Marwari and ethics do not go together. If the govt wants their land for the development of the country, fair enough, develop the tribals first because they are part of the country as well. Or is it that they are third class citizens of India? Probably Dr Manmohan Singh, the supposedly learned PM of India never got the education to treat every Indian at par.
Raj
Chicago, United States
Nov 06, 2009 02:21 AM
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DC
Thanks for rational and patient comments.
No one is currently happy with this corrupt, nepotism and dishonest political system. Every hard working individual is being ripped off whether he is rich or middle class or poor. No can't get anything done unless they pay bribes. The whole nonsense about brahmin, bania garbage this Biswas keeps throwing is nonsense. As we have seen, backward caste leaders, SC/ST leaders are all dominating the political scene now a days and are no different than yesteryear Thakur/Brahmin leaders. Every chance they get they loot and promote nepotism. It starts at the top led by Gandhi dynasty and every state and local level also promote a dynasty.
The so called liberal media and liberal activists like sidetrack the issues and have been doing this for the last 15 years. They succeeded in turning the debate from reforming our corrupt democratic system to it a Secularism vs Communalism alone and helped re-establishing the dynasty. We had the best opportunity in 1990-2005 to reform our democracy to a people's oriented democracy. We can introduce a lot of reforms: Term Limits, Direct election of leaders, separation of legislature, executive and judiciary, Primary system to eliminate nominations, people electing on issues/policies. We have never given democracy a chance. No system is perfect. It needs continuous reforms. Fix it as you find problems. As we have seen in the history, Maoisms, Communism are big failures. I am sure if these naxals succeed in their aim, they would probably kill more people than Mao (estimated 50-75 million) and Stalin (25 million).
After keeping quite for 50 years on the reforms needed for our democracy, irresponsible communists such Ms. Roy promote Maoism to succeed democracy. Where did we give a chance for this democracy?
VIvek
Hyderabad, India
Nov 06, 2009 01:43 AM
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Palash Biswas
I read your posts with both appreciation and concern. My appreciation is for your first hand experience with the downtrodden and my concern is for your inability to understand the reasons for their exploitation and therefore sympathizing with the Maoists.
Unfortunately you are mixing two issues - Arundhati has mixed them deliberately but you are mixing them due to lack of clarity of your thinking. One issue is related to the oppression of the masses and the other is related to the Maoist uprising.
Oppression of the masses by their privileged brothers and sisters has been there since the dawn of the human civilisation. Don't forget that the Adivasis and the lower castes (genuine ones not the SC/ST quota recepients enjoying cushy urban lifestyle) also belong to the lowest economic class of the society. Obviously they are the most vulnerable ones. Even the forward castes with low economic background are facing the same fate.
The second issue is related to the Maoists. Maoists preach of classless societies, attract overt and covert support of the poor (because they only sell the dreams of a better tomorrow and they profess to champion poor people's cause). But in reality they have nothing constructive to offer. And their motto is not to serve the poor but to grab power using violence. The rationale they have given so far for killing innocent people, many of them are also from the poorest rung of the society is absolutely ridiculous. During the Naxal movement in Calcutta these same goons used to kill school teachers, college professors and police constables in the name of killing the class enemies. I share your concern for the downtrodden, but please do not get carried away by the peddlers of violence and bloodshed.
It is quite easy to criticize and show anger and frustration through violent means, but it is quite difficult to come out with a constructive solution to the problems faced by the downtrodden. You need better livelihood, education, access to communication and healthcare for the downtrodden. And that is possible if you can improve the present system of distribution and governance. The states where the lower rung people are better off have better governance and public distribution system at the grassroots level. There is no dearth of poverty alleviation program in India - it is just that in many parts of India those benefits are not riching people. Create a political space to voice the demand of the people so that the benefits are accessible to the people. Or join the NGO or work for the government to implement successfully the programs intended for the poor.
But if you take a gun and join the Maoists then either you have no idea of what you can do after the end of all the bloodshed or you are aware of the problems without any capacity to think through the solution. Violence cannot resolve governance issues.
DC
NEW YORK, United States
