When the Eastern and Western culture clash
Palash Biswas
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When the Eastern and Western culture clash
Posted by: "S Turkman" turkman@sbcglobal.net torkmaan
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:48 pm ((PST))
My comments are inserted below. ---------------------------------
Posted by: "wasi950" wasi950@yahoo.com When the Eastern and Western
culture clash
By Wasi Siddiqui
(Member of the Canadian Authors Association) TURKMAN: Authors of what?
Conspiracy Theories? -----------------------------
It is often been said that when there is a hurricane in the sea, no
matter how big the boat is, it will sink because the culture of the
sea does not compromise with it's furry whoever tries to come in
it's path, this is exactly what happened at the calm neighborhood of
Mississauga, where a teenager was strangled to death by her father
apparently for not wearing scarf or following Islamic culture.
When an immigrant family comes to Canada, there are lots of
challenges to be face starting from not getting a job in their
respectable fields, an engineer working as a security guard, a
doctor working as cab driver, and then waiting for 3 months before
applying for health card because getting sick during these 3 months
might cost a fortune since medicines are so expensive to buy, any
way this is just a start in getting accustomed to the tradition life
of Canada then comes the most difficult part , when their children
future when they seek admissions in schools and colleges in order
to give their children a new life in totally a different environment.
TURKMAN: Please tell me, in which Moslim Country they would face less
trouble than this after emigrating? What do you want Canada to do to
solve this problem? Give every immigrant a million dollars as he lands in
Canada. --------------------------------
As soon as the immigrants start to settle down in Canada , their
biggest fear becomes a reality when their children adopts something
new in schools which is called " the western culture" the culture
which is totally different from their homeland specially in a Muslim
society where mingling with boys of girls are often regarded as bad
and not allowed. TURKMAN: Why the hell they had applied for Canadian
Immigration if they were worried about their religion so much? You
people violate orders of Allah in Qoraan, "Not to live in land of Non
Moslims" and then as soon as you land in advanced countries of the West, you
want to change laws of these countries since these countries permit
religion of freedom implying to use your rights. Is this not true?
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All the religion has their limitation so does the
Islam, where it is prohibited for a Muslim woman to frankly talking
with a strangers or making boyfriends. TURKMAN: Well, when you knew
Canada is not a Moslim Country, why the hell you applied for her
Immigration or entered illegally then? -------------------------
Although the wearing of scarf is compulsory, and it is always
advisable for a Muslim woman to wear it as it avoid a stranger
getting their attention, while the western culture called it veils
are a sign of radicalization, a move to Islamism € ¦’· the most extreme
interpretation of Islam. The veil is often considered an obstacle to
integration. " And sometimes the headline read as "The Muslim woman
needed to be liberated from veil". TURKMAN: Nowhere in Qoraan says,
"Scarf is compulsory". Why are you lying? I thought Moslims are not
supposed to lie. Of course, if your daughters want everything Canada stands
for they have to be liberated from your clutches. Candadian President
had not gone to your house in the Ghetto you lived in Pakistan, you had
begged Canada to grant you Immigration. Why didn't you think of all
that before begging Canada to grant you Immigration if you cared for your
Islamic Belief so much?
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The Quran says " Tell the faithful women to lower their gaze and
guard their private parts and not display their beauty except what
is apparent of it, and to extend their scarf to cover their bosom
- Source: Quran, 24:31 (English translation)
TURKMAN: Why didn't you tell this to Canadian Immigration Officials,
when you were begging for Immigration of Canada if you really believed
in these verses? Do all the women in your country do, what Qoraan says?
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It is time that immigrant families should know that when they have
decided to come to Canada or any other western country they should
sit down with their children to talk about the things which they
like and what are those things which they will not tolerate, instead
of starting a culture clash that reach to a boiling point when their
parents decided to take the law into their hands.
TURKMAN: Oh yes please because what you are saying is just a
pretence. Nobody trying to get out of Pakistan cares, what would be life about
in an advanced rich coungtry. Moslims just want to get out of the Hell
of their countries to have a better life. Only after reaching these
countries they learn they can change the laws of these countries since
freedom of religion is allowed in all such countries. Who the hell are you
trying to B.S. here but yourself?
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The biggest concern or the Muslim families is that why in schools
sex education are being taught in the name of education, this give
their teenagers a freedom to engaging in sex with their partners
even thought sexuality is a part of all human nature but this
freedom is just more than necessary and thus come in contact with
AIDS/HIV, or even left their own face with disgrace in the society.
TURKMAN: Oh so you are admitting that you can not raise your
daughters right according to your religion just because of Sex Education. Well,
had not Qoraan told you to don't live in Non Moslim lands to start
with? Why is Canada or any other Non Moslim country is at fault and you
are not then?
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This is where the culture clash starts, they began to speak English
only and forget their mother-tongue and wearing jeans and with
chewing gum in their mouth, with I-Pod in their pockets always
listening to music, shaking their heads like monkey and speaking
western style common word like "F" words, while they considered
themselves above all and even above the law, as they adopt this new
culture , their own culture becomes a joke where Muslims are
required to pray five times a day, read Quran, lead a simple
life, give charity, Hajj concept completely forgotten and thus
name of Islam became a history for them.
TURKMAN: Oh sure in your country, you were praying 5 times a day,
reading Qoran, leading a simple life, giving charity and believing
whatever is Hajj concept besides smuggling and touring. Who the hell are you
fooling sir, I'm one of your countryman knowing the truth behind all
your lies.
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There are many Muslim families living in Canada who have made
compromise with their children, in one of the case a Muslim woman
marries to a Hindu man and then before their marriage, a celebration
was held where strippers were hired to entertain the guests and
Muslim parents were also present as a part of celebration. How
shameful is this?
In other such incident, in a Muslim family, a man who was sponsored
by his wife to come to Canada was wrongly blamed as "sexual
impotent" and then she gave him divorce and left to humiliation, now
the same person married and living with his wife and 2 children.
TURKMAN: Sir, these examples still do not explain, why the hell you,
non believer and criticizer of such stuff is in a Non Moslim Country in
violation of Islam or Allah's own words against such an Immigration.
Allah had declared Moslims born in Mecca, who had not emigrated to
Madian, Non Moslims in Qoraan. How the hell your moving to Non Moslim land
from a Moslim land can be declared by Him? I need an answer to this
before you go any fargther? Who the hell are you trying to fool here?
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The clash of the eastern and western culture has now entered into a
danger level, where anyone, anytime can become a victim of this new
culture clash, a clash which will continue to happen unless today's
youth understand and return to their faith and culture because once
they leave their home, it is not their parents watching them, but
only Allah, whom they should be fearing all the time.
TURKMAN: So, here you are legalizing killing of our daughters in
Canada and all other Non Moslim Countries if they don't wear the Mini Tent
called 'Hijaab', when we can't even find any verse of Allah legalizing
any kind of Mini Tents? Sir, you need a Psychologist because you the
blind followers of our Mollaas had believed in their Edicts that our
Scientists were wrong and earth was not round like a ball. Your kind of
people were responsible for end of us being the most advanced in Sciences
since all such Scientists were either beheaded by you or had to escape
to Europe. Your kind of people are responsible for ban of all books of
Science in Islamic World. I have no idea, why the hell you emigragted
to Canada if you were such a Slave of Mollaas. I have an advice for all
you people. Go back to your Moslim Countries if you think countries,
who had granted you Citizenship can not provide you Freedom of Religion
but then I know, you are not going to accept my advice since Islam
is not as important to you than your Standard of Living and Good Life
in Non Moslim rich Countries. You are just trying to fool the natives
of these countries reminding of their own laws instead of you being
committed to Islam. I have been in USA for 34 years and I know, how many of
my friends and acquaintances have grown beards as soon as their
daughters grew up and started acting like Mollaas, when they cared about no
Islam before. They were having sex with White American Chicks, Gambling,
Consuming Alcohol and doing everything else. Why the whole Islam has
to come down on Moslim Immigrants as soon as their daugters start having
sex with other Moslim Boys ane Americans, when it had not bothered
them, when they themselves were having sex with White American Girls
earlier? Where was their Islam then?
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8a. Defending the rights in US
Posted by: "S Turkman" turkman@sbcglobal.net torkmaan
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:48 pm ((PST))
Hyder Shaikh (using Muradali as his new ID), 1. Americans have
never tried to act like they are the righteous Christians.
2. According to US Constitution, the 'Separation of Church & State'
law prohibits US Govt. to side with any religion.
3. US Media shows no mercy on Religion like Media of all Moslim
Countries does and every Radio and TV Station starts with Recitatiuon of
Qoraan.
Why the hell then are you linking Racism in USA to Christianity
unless you are a biased JehaaDi Mollaa propagating hate against USA?
Who the hell are you fooling?
All of us Moslims know, how Racist we are. Encouraging Racist Blacks
to go to Moslim Countries by giving them money to spread hate in Moslim
Countries against USA is nothing but a crude joke and a very malicious
thing. We should audit accounts of such Black American Racists and ban
the Moslim Charitable Organizations, that provided them money since
its nothing but treason. Don't you people realize, your those
Organizations have Non Profitable Status because of US Laws and they are getting
all that money from Moslims, who were allowed to migrate to USA because
of kind hearts of Americans?
Does it say in Qoraan that you should spread hate against, who
provided you a Sanctuary and your Benifactors?
Have the Moslims, who donated that money been informed by your
Charitable Ogranzations, how are they spending their money to spread hate
against the country they live off?
Could you tell me by which verse of Qoraan all this becomes legal in
Islam?
Posted by: "muradali shaikh" muradali_shaikh2@yahoo.co.uk
Defending rights against racism: A black visitor from Africa Thursday,
December 13, 2007 A former Black Panther, Dhoruba el-M€ ¦ücahid bin Wahad
was in Istanbul for World Human Rights Day to tell the story of his
struggle against racism. He says that racism never ended and the harsh
policies of the US against blacks and Muslims is nothing new
€ ¦ÞAFAK T€ ¦ÝMUR
ISTANBUL - TDN
It was an unusual sight for a group of primary school children in
Istanbul's conservative Fatih district to see a black man amid them Tuesday,
who are only used to seeing the occasional black tourist or figures in
Hollywood movies.
He was the center of their attention, not only for his skin color, but
also with his raised and passionate voice in a street caf€ ¦é in this
otherwise calm neighborhood, even though not a word he was saying in
English made any sense to them.
Dhoruba el-M€ ¦ücahid bin Wahad, formerly Richard Moore, was telling
the Turkish Daily News his story with the legendary Black Panthers in the
United States, which was engaged in an armed struggle during the end
of the 1960s against racism and to defend the rights of
African-Americans.
€ ¦’³There are two histories in America. The history of the oppressor
and the history of oppressed. One is the history we live, the other is
the history the white superiors have,€ ¦’´ said Bin Wahad, a former
panther who spent 19 years in prison for allegedly killing two police
officers but was released after he was found not guilty. The ruling elite in
the United States and corporate publications try to portray the
experiences of African-Americans as an American experience, Bin Wahab said,
adding that Europeans were not in the slave ships with Africans and
chained with them.
Currently living in western Africa, Bin Wahad came to Turkey this week
for World Human Rights Day on Dec. 10 at the invitation of Humanitarian
Aid Foundation (€ ¦ÝHH). Having converted to Islam while in prison, he
still works for the rights of African-Americans and is engaged in a
struggle against the use and sales of drugs among African-Americans. The
struggle against drugs among his community is like a tradition that has
carried on from his days with the Black Panthers, which believed
eliminating drug addiction among their community, was a priority. Bin Wahab
was found not guilty when secret documents of the Central Intelligence
Agency (CIA) about a counter intelligence program on dissident
organizations were revealed.
Racism never ended
Bin Wahab argued that Muslims and African-Americans in the United
States were being tortured even before the anti-terror measures were taken
by the American government after Sept. 11. If the world thinks that the
U.S. has just started to torture people, they should think again, he
said. € ¦’³White supremacy is at the ideological basis and roots of the
U.S.,€ ¦’´ Bin Wahab said, adding that it has been the fabric of America
from the very beginning as it is a European settler state. There was a
greater holocaust carried out against Africans for centuries,
according to bin Wahab and they never apologized for it, since genocide was not
a crime at the time.
US democracy is not for Africans
Democracy is for the rich, not for African-Americans or people with
other ethnic roots, he said. That's why he does not believe that the rise
of two African-Americans, current and former secretary of states, Colin
Powell and Condoleezza Rice, to the very top of the American ruling
elite means there is no racism in the U.S. today. € ¦’³Powell and Rice
are like the token clerks in the metro; token clerks collect tokens but
do not run the metro. Rice does not determine the policy of the U.S.
government despite her relationship with (George W.) Bush. White males
determine the policy of the U.S.,€ ¦’´ he said, € ¦’³Powell and Rice are
in denial of their own histories.€ ¦’´
Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential candidate in the upcoming
elections, will not make a difference in the United States either,
according to Bin Wahab. The foreign policy of a Democrat or Republican
president would not differ, he said. € ¦’³Barack Obama is a white man with a
black face,€ ¦’´ Bin Wahab said.
Accepting racism
The U.S. does not want to confront and face its history, Bin Wahab
said. € ¦’³They are an empire in denial,€ ¦’´ he said, and € ¦’³the therapy
will not start before the denial ends.€ ¦’´ The U.S. in its war
against terrorism and Islam argues that Muslims are killing innocent people
and this is even a sin in Islam, Bin Wahab said.
€ ¦’³Yes I agree,€ ¦’´ he said, € ¦’³even the first commandment says
not to kill.€ ¦’´ However killing African-Americans was not a sin, as
they were not regarded as human beings, he said.
Bin Wahab argued that those African-Americans opting to become Muslims
are returning to € ¦’³a part of their history that was pushed down and
denigrated.€ ¦’´ The affect of Islam on the black movement in the U.S.
has been marginal for Bin Wahab since Muslims live in a state of fear,
he says.